Quickwrite 12/8

I found this piece to be very interesting due to how many Asian people are here on Michigan State's campus. In fact my TA for my math class is very similar to this he may be the smartest person, but I judge him based on that I can only understand about 50 percent of what he says to the class. This piece made a lot of sense to me because as bad as it sounds I judge people who speak "broken" English all the time, and this piece really makes me think that I should strive to not judge a person just by how they speak but rather their actions and personality they have.

12/8 Post

I found this piece to be very interesting. She mentions that her mom spoke in broken down English. There are a lot of students here at MSU that are the same way. I have a lot of kids from China that are in one of my other classes and we are required to work in groups. I often finding myself speaking in very simple sentences and not using any slang. I find it very easy to relate to Amy Tan.

Quickwrite 12/8

Can narrative be arguement? Can stories be arguements?

In my opinion, yes, narratives and stories can be arguements. Earlier in the class we also discussed how everything can be an arguement, but aside from that, when narrating or telling a story, one could be arguing thier own opinion on a fact. Or even arguing how they view the story should be told or how it happened. If you really wish to argue a point, I wouldn't reccomend a vague tactic like that when you could just blatantly argue your point, but narratives and stories can in my opinion argue, even if it is discreetly.

12/8

This was a pretty interesting reading. Ive always knew there was different type/forms of english, but never knew any one else considered this. in the story it touches on how you speak influences how your treated. also that the people your around influences the way you speak. after being around someone for so long you tend to pick up their style of speaking.

Quickwrite 12/8

I think the reading was really interesting. I did not know that kids dont realize that if their mom or dad grow up with a different language they do not see how many mistakes they actually make in their other language.  I also thought it was really funny that the daughter had to call the bank of her mom to make a complain, because she was to afraid, that they would not take her seriously because of her poor English. But I also think that it pretty sad that people judge other people because of their ability to be not fluent in a FOREIGN language. A lot of those people are actually better educated and smarter than the other party, but they just cannot show it like them.

Sebastian

MOTHER TONGUE 12/8/11

A narrativeis more effective that an opinion because it isn't forcing an idea on someone it is simply telling story and people can react to it in any way that they please. But by the way the story is told, it can give a message and people will tend to interpret it a certain way. Stories keep the audience interested and they can infer things in their own way, so people are more open to what is being said. In an opinion paper, people will tend to take a stance right away and not stray from that belief, but a story grows on you and slowly changes your mind without saying your opinion isn't valid.

Quickwrite 12/8

I think a narrative can be an argument. The writer is talking about the importance of a child's learning abilities along with the language they are brought up in. I think that the writer didn't try to persuade anyone to think that every child should be brought up the same way, she just implied that her mother using English in her household really benefited her intelligence. The narrative just forces the reader to think a different way about the topic.

Quickwrite 12/8

The story Mother Tongue was kind of cool how one persons english can change their lifestyle so much. This girl knew all sorts of english which helped her become who she was but the style of english she could use depended on who she was talking to and about. When she was giving a talk she finally realized how some people, including her mother, would have no idea what she is trying to say. I found it weird how spot on she was because I experience this at MSU when you try talking to TA's or even the professor one on one. It is amazing how different the languages are.

Quickwrite 12/8

I felt that "Mother Tongue" was a very strong argumentative piece. I believe she has a whole paragraph explaining how she would have to act as her mother on the phone, because her mother's broken English wasn't taken seriously. I agree with her argument, even though I haven't had a personal experience, because the listeners would probably think broken English is just her being lazy. Also it was unfortunate to her when it came to the ACT. Since the English subject isn't my strong point, I also felt like the ACT was about which sentence sounded the best to me. Thus making me relying on the English I heard growing up around me.

quickwrite 12/8

Can a narative be an argument? Can Stories be Arguments?

Yes both of these can be arguments. while they are not as direct as a presuasive piece strories and naratives argue by showing that certain actions cause certain things to happen. like when Tan talks about how the nature of english placement tests pushes many asian americans toward math and science she is argueing that these test are the cause for this trend. Stories often have a moral to them and this is an argument to behave a certain way.

-Jeff

Mother Tongue

I believe I know what she means when she talks differently to different people. She has a certain language, almost a mini dialect with this person that she and the other person understand perfectly, but it might not be perfect English. My roommate Di is Chinese and the way I talk to him is different than the way I talk to others. When I talk to him I have to slow way down and use common words that he as used to using before. For instance the other day he wanted me to come eat with him and his girlfriend and he said to me, "You are going, eat, come with us." I try my best to make him understand the correct way of saying it. The more I talk to him the more I accidentally use this "language" i have with Di with my other friends.

12/8 Quickwrite

I found this piece to be very interesting due to how many Asian people are here on Michigan State's campus. In fact my TA for my math class is very similar to this he may be the smartest person, but I judge him based on that I can only understand about 50 percent of what he says to the class. This piece made a lot of sense to me because as bad as it sounds I judge people who speak "broken" English all the time, and this piece really makes me think that I should strive to not judge a person just by how they speak but rather their actions and personality they have.

Blogpost Thursday December 8

In my opinion, both stories and narratives can be arguments. Stories can be examples of arguments when talking about something that the author disagrees with. The whole point of the story in this example would be to argue against what it is the author disagrees with. Also, when writing a narrative, you could be writing about something you disagree with, or some injustice that occurred to you and the whole point of relaying your story could be to tell people what happened, and argue that this is wrong.

QW 12-8-11

I do not believe that a narrative can be an argument although I do believe that it can be used to process and support an argument. For example, in this case Tans narrative basically illustrated an example for the purpose that even through adversity success can be obtained. So basically stories and narratives are simply first hand examples that support an argument. If one were to analyze this on a credibility argument, the author does not provide enough evidence for me to assume that her claim is correct. Therefore this does not make a successful argument.

Quickwrite 12/8

My general reaction to "Mother Tongue" by Amy Tan is that it is very interesting and inspiring that she was able to become such a great speaker and writer (in English) when her mother has spoken "broken" english her whole life. I enjoyed reading this because she tells her story of her struggles growing up with a mother who her friends couldn't understand and also more recent situations where she has to step in and speak for her mother.

quickwrite 12/8

This piece made me realize that there are several uses of English that I/we employ every day. I use a certain language to talk to my friends, a different one to talk to my grandparents and mother, and another one to write educational papers. Even though we use different languages for different acquaintances, we still employ the use of argument into our language. I can kind of relate to the author of understanding our mother's language, but my mother and I use a hybrid English in which we speak formally but educated as well. It hs always been like this and I think that is why i enjoy reading and writing so much.

QR 1/8/11

My general reaction to this piece was that it was a very easy and fun reading. I liked it because I could relate to it alot. When she talked about her friends not being able to understand her mother made me think of my grandma because she is from Poland and has a very strong accient and most of my friends cant understand her at all, but my friends from gradschool who have known her longer understand her a lot better. I ofcourse can complelty understand her 100 percent because I grew up with her allwyas talking to me. Also the part where Amy had to pretneced she was her mother so people woulnt ingore her or preternd not her hear here made me think of times when my bobcia goes out on family dinners to resultants, we have to order for her because usually they dont understand her accient. This piece made me relize that people today who are faced with different nationalities and accents dont really care or try to help them out when it comes to situations that might take them a little bit longer to handle, the part where Mrs. Tan went to the hospital to get a CT scan for her brain really made me sad to think that they would just pretend they lost her so she couldn't get the results right away. Overall I really enjoyed reading this because it really related to me and I could see alot of myself in Amy.
One part that I tahguht was very interesting was when she talked about how most Asian orientated people go into math and sciences because their language is known as more "broken" or not as good. So I liked how she wanted to strive harder to break that stereotype. It also made me think if that is why I enjoy math and science more than writing because when I was younger I was allways arround my grandma who you could say had "broken" English.
As far as the argument part of this piece I would say she did a great job having examples of how she has became a better writer by trying her best to becoming a great writer.

quickwrite 12/8

I found this reading pretty interesting because it discussed the many forms of language, more specifically the english language. The most effective part, in my opinion, was when the author talked about broken english. It was an interesting term for me, because as she said I never thought of language as something that is fixable. For people not from the United States, they have this problem a lot, where it is difficult to understand them because of their lack of experience of the english language. It was interesting for me to take a closer look at this way of thinking about language.

QuickWrite 12/8

I thought that this piece showed the will to learn a language and appreciate it. She mentioned that there wasn't anything that she didn't like about a certain language, because she loved everything about language. Her interest in foreign language was greater than her mother's, therefor, she learned to be more fluent. When you have an interest in something, you tend to succeed more often.

quickpost 12/8

Tan's "Mothers Tongue" is an argument because she is "arguing" that it is a different language, or different form of a language. The language being english. She argues this by showing the effects that the way her mother speaks had on her everyday life. One example was when her mom was at the doctor for results from a CAT scan and they had lost the scan. The doctors were going to make her come back later for another and schedule a later appointment. But when she made the doctor call her daughter who spoke clear english the doctor was more willing to work with the mom.

Quickwrite 12/8

In what ways is narrative more effective arguments than opinon?

Narratives can be more effective arguments than opinions because it's hard for readers to disagree with the author. The stories they tell are both interesting and honest. Even if the reader can't relate to the author's story, they can still understand it and believe it.

quickwrite12/8

Mother Tongue is an argument because Amy Tan argues how limited knowledge about the English language can hold one back using examples about her mothers life.

quick write 12/8

I found this kind of interesting, because personally I hear situations like this all the time. Especially since going to MSU I hear broken english all the time. I think this piece was pretty real according to how people who cannot speak fluent English are judged. I also liked that the author considered herself to be literate in all fo the different forms she knew. She knew fluent English, broken English, and she said watered down Chinese. It was a cool reading.

Quickwrite 12/8

I really liked the piece Mother Tongue. It kept me interested throughout the whole writing. I like how she used her moms English as an example. She made a really good point on how one person's speech can affect how you're treated. For example, whenever her mom needed something and she talked to someone about it, she never got it. But then she'd say, "Talk to my daughter" and she'd get what she wanted because her daughter could speak fluent English. I really liked the end of the piece when the daughter wrote a book and she had her mom read it. Her mom then said, "So easy to read." It's a happy ending to the piece of writing because her mom could easily read what she wrote.

Quickwrite 12/8

My reaction to this piece was very indifferent. I found it interesting that it took Amy Tan so long to catch on to her mothers and her own "broken english". I could see how it would be difficult to learn a language in its entirety. When i was in high school i took french for 4 years. At the end of my class i could see how if i were in france what i thought to be clear french would be incomprehensible to the people that live there. After reading the piece i found it disturbing that people would give her mother bad service because of her English. i know that it cannot be easy to know two languages that are nothing structurally alike and to discriminate against someone that is trying to use the language correctly strikes me as wrong. Overall, i thought this piece was interesting.

A Letter to America 12/6/11

I was a little put back by this article, because I felt her argument wasn't valid. She argued to many various subjects that didn't really interrelate. A few things that were effective were the facts that she presented. A few of them were the ones about the war and when she talked about soviet Russia. I like that it is personal because its in the format of a letter to someone. She had a good connection to the audience through that format. She demonstrated what mainstream culture was and why government is bad. But again I felt that connection just wasn't there. Lets not forgot the girl didn't have any sources. She was totally going of claim and opinions. The only reason I knew some of the things were facts is because I have proper knowledge of the subject. Even then she is pinpointing an audience and creating a high context article, which conflicts my earlier statement that she had a connection to her audience. She made some generalizations that weren't correct. I didn't approve of this paper

12/6

didnt read it

Quickwrite 12/6

In the reading "A letter to America" the author Margaret Altwood literally writes a letter to America. She describes how much she loved her country in her childhood and how disappointed she is now about it with the war in Iraq and the huge amount of debt. I think she is really right in what she is saying. The US definitely has a pretty bad image in the rest of the world. By stating that the US in "gutting the Constitution" by for example searching your "private records", she makes a really effective argument, stating that the country even does things today that are against the law. Her arguments might have been ineffective in a way, that she did not support her arguments with solid data from reliable sources.

Sebastian

QuickWrite 12/6

I didn't read it.

Quickwrite 12/6

I didn't read it.

12/6 Quickwrite

I'm sorry I didn't read the story.

12/6 post

I feel as though Margaret Atwood makes a lot of good points, but I think she's not taking into account the times we are in. She makes reference to how good the 40's were, she is just living in the past. It isn't just America that has changed, the rest of the world has as well. I feel her argument is effective because she brought up how America was great, and then how those things changed into negatives. I feel as though it was ineffective because the great things she brought up were about pop culture, and then the negatives mainly pertained to govt. and the economy. There were poor governmental decisions made back in those days as well.

QW 12-6-11

My initial reaction was kind of agreeing with her but as I read more, there are some very irrational statements. I believe that in general she is claiming that the government is dropping the ball and becoming irrational. Atwood explains that her point in valid by personifying the government. She does this by explaining her positive relationship with the government. After this, she explains how the government has changed. She does seem to exaggerate when giving key reasons when she says, "You're gutting the Constitution." She also is lacking in any sense of credibility by not citing any facts. She also uses the either-or fallacy as she says that either we stop spending or we turn into the USSR.

12/6

I didn't read

qucikpost 12/6

I didn't read sorry...

quick write 12/6

i didnt read it

Quickwrite 12/6

I thought that this piece was a little bit on the harsh side. The author did point out the flaws in the government which I do agree with, but she made it seem like the government had a chance to revive its self and now it can't. She notes, "You were Sinclair Lewis and Arthor Miller, who went them after because they thought you could do better" (Atwood, pg. 10). I feel that very good point were made, for example she writes, "You're running up the record level debt, keep spending this way and you won't be able to go on any big military adventures" (Atwood, pg. 15). I agree that the government is just digging themselves a deeper hole. The one thing I think that hurt her argument was the fact, that she had a nasty tone about the whole issue, I feel a more constructive criticism tone would have been more appropriate.

Quick Write Tuesday, December 26

My reaction to this reading was one of agreement, but some disconnection. I can agree with her basic idea, that America has changed a lot over her lifetime and she doesn't like where it is heading. However, her support for her argument were ideas based upon her childhood, and since she is so old, I can't relate to her childhood. This made her argument ineffective. She did make a good argument though when she was talking about what she didn't like about America today, as I am living in the current time and can relate to her issues. Her issue with the economy was the most powerful in my opinion and her problems with our lack of producing our own goods was especially resonant to me, as my father worked for a factory and it was recently closed, costing him his job. Overall, she made a good argument, but I couldn't relate with all of her issues.

quickwrite 12/6

Upon reading this letter, it renewed my feelings of feeling let down by our once great society. we used to be number one in everything from production to export to happiness in census reports. Now, what are we doing? Waging wars overseas and selling the newest Gucci handbag to 12 year olds."I won't go into the reasons why I think your recent Iraq adventures have been - taking the long view - an ill-advised tactical error" (p. 3). This quote can spur animosity and ill will toawrds the author and must approach it in a very cautious manner so as not to anger any families who may have lost loved ones in the war. ALWAYS BE AWARE OF YOUR AUDIENCE. Atwood drew on the emotion of the audience to draw them in and hat was a very creative tool.

quickwrite 12/6

In my opinion, this piece had some really valid points and some not so valid points. Atwood created effective arguments in several of her quotes, but one that really stuck with me was

"You're running a record level of debt" (pg. 3). This was effective for me because it is a true statement that needs to be dealt with better than what the conditions are now. Also, when she said "You didn't used to be easily frightened" (pg. 3). That sentence was bold to me because it is a harsh comparison to the past and really makes the reader think of what America used to stand for. The themes that I found in this piece were a lack of support for America and almost hatred for what it has become. I believe that Atwood's arguments were ineffective at the parts where she stated "You're gutting the constitution" (pg. 3). Her word choice, with the word "gutting" was a very powerful word that really paints a picture in your mind of cruelty and carelessness. I did not agree with this statement fully, so it was ineffective to me.

A letter to America 12/6

My reaction to this piece was not surprised. It was about an older woman who grew up around a "fun" and exciting America. Everything about the old America was ok, but today the author describes how America is "Gutting the Constitution". This country is getting itself into wars, specifically with the middle east, and is proving itself to be the bad guys. The country is also destroying its own economy, and is defiantly not as strong as it used to be.

"Keep spending at this rate and you won't be able to afford any military adventures" This quote talks about how bad our economy is, and it hints at how we spend our money (towards war).

The paper could be ineffective because it doesn't really have sources to back up the information. It simply states information that could not be entirely true. It also doesn't give the full story of why our country may be spending this money and why we are deciding to go into war.

A letter to America

My general reaction to this piece was that it was pretty interesting. I liked how it was someone speaking directly to America as though they were almost human in a way. It was written so that America could listen to what the person was saying and understand what they meant. It lists a lot of facts about our country's past and future and put them together nicely in a way to fucus on the disappointment that the public has on America compared to how it used to be. I thought it was well put together and had a nice style to it, the audience was that of basically everyone and for that, I think it makes people think about where America is headed.

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In "A letter to America" by Margaret Atwood I felt like as if she was writing to a personal friend because she was pretty informal and I got the feeling that she was trying to explain how much she loved America as a little girl and goes into explaining all her favorite actors and shows, then how she was dissapointed about what is going on in the world today. She made a good argument when she said " We're like Romanized Gauls-look like Romans, dress like Romans, but aren't Romans-peering over the wall at the real Romans." This quote to me was trying to say that we dress and act like americans but the Canadians see over the wall who we really are. It is also the closeness that Canadians feel to America. Her argument way have been inneffective when she said "Anyway, when did you get so scared?" I think this was talking about how America used to be so great and now she dosent even know America anymore, this can be somewhat innefective because she was first talking about how great America was and now saying that America is "scared".

Quickwrite 12/6

I honestly read this, but I didn't understand it enough to write this blogpost. My reaction to "A Letter to America" is confusing.

Quickwrite 12/6

I did not read "A Letter to America." I didnt know we had a reading.

Quickwrite 12/6

My reaction was that I mostly agreed with what the author stated, and I liked her approach on the argument. Making it into a letter made it interesting, and it allowed her to get really personal. I think the author used very colorful and powerful vocab words to get her points across. This strategy was really effective because it made the issues seem really important, and her side of the argument seemed correct. One powerful statement she used was "You're gutting the Constitution." One thing that may have weakened her argument was how she dragged on a bit at the beginning, when she kept on presenting things that America was to her.

Quickwrite 12/6

My reaction to this piece was that Margaret had a really strong opinion on what is happening to America and it was well argued. I think that by listing the things that America used to mean to her, like Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck, it expressed how the innocence of the country has in a way diminished. She brushes over the topic of Americas involvement in Iraq and i think thats part of her problem with America. She then states, "lets talk, then, not about what you're doing to other people, but about what your doing to yourselves". I thought this quote was really effective because even though she is focusing on our involvement in other countries and how that makes us look bad, it also ruins things back home. The debt we have and the american economy is a result of these decisions. I also found it effective that at the end she says there is still hope and relates to an old British myth. What could have been seen has ineffective in this argument was how in the 4th paragraph on the second page she talked as if America was a person, which kind of lost me in respect to her argument.

Quickwrite 12/6

Margaret Atwood's piece made a lot of sense to me. She wrote about how America has changed and how it's not for the better. I like when she said "This is a difficult letter for me to write, because I'm no longer sure who you are" (page one). Then she goes about arguing how America used to be strong and talked about the great things that came out of the country. She ends it with talking about the war and how it makes America look weak. For example, she says "By the time you read this Baghdad may or may not look like the craters of the moon" (page three). I don't think her argument was ineffective at all. I like how she stated the strong points about America then slowly went into how it's bad. She also gave many examples that made her argument stronger. Her arguments were opinions but they were also facts. The war is a fact but her she makes her own opinion about it which makes it her argument. I also really like how she wrote it in letter form to America.

quick write 12/6

My reaction to this piece was indifferent. There were some things that I agreed with, while other things I did not. I think she did make valid arguments though, and things she believes are real occurring things that need change. According to Atwood, "I won't go into the reasons why I think your recent Iraq adventures have been - taking the long view - an ill-advised tactical error" (p. 3). Many people could probably agree with this sentence, even if they do not agree with all of her other views. This sentence touches on a pretty serious issue though America has had to deal with over the years. I completely disagree with her however when Atwood says, "You are gutting the constitution" (p. 3). I think that leaders have to do what they feel best, but I don't believe you should ever word something where it seems like they are not taking the best interest of America to heart. There were parts of her letter that made me want to stop reading it, and there were also parts of letter that really made good points.

Quickwrite 11/29

I'm considering the topic of mainstreaming disabled children as the issue for my paper.

1. Ad Hominem: attacking the person rather than the issue. I will avoid this by not choosing a topic that focuses on a person or a course of action caused by one person, and rather a broad idea.
2. Stereotyping: my topic idea actually brings up stereotypes to denounce them, so I do not forsee this being encountered at all in my paper.
3. Faulty Sampling: bad statistics. Use a variety of sampling systems and sampling examples to mix data and avoid this.
4. Sweeping Generalizations: do not group an entire population into one category. Make sure to use broad terms such as "usually" and "most".
5. False Dilemma: assuming only two outcomes are possible. I will assess the many angles of the issue to avoid assuming there is only right and wrong, or this or that. Coming up with alternative solutions could help to avoid this.
6. Post Hoc: making no causal assumptions. Only using facts and data to back up if something
happened due to something else.

Quickwrite 11/29

My topic for the final paper is: Studying abroad can be beneficial for US-students.
Ad-hominem: I will avoid attacking people that do not want to study abroad.
Stereotyping: I will not state that people who study abroad know more about the world in general.
Faulty Sampling: If I am using statistics I will make sure they are representable and that a lot of people took part in the survey for it.
Sweeping Generalizations: If I interview students about their past study abroad experiences I will make sure to make clear that those are individual experiences and that they do not occur all the time.
False Dilema: I am trying to state different types of study abroad programs so that there is not only the opportunity to go on a study abroad or not.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc: Not everybody likes there study abroad experience.

Sebastian

Quickwrite 11/29

Talking on the phone and driving:

Ad Hominen- I will use facts to disprove there opinion without personally attacking them.
Stereotyping- I will have to re-read what I write in order to catch myself doing it.
Faulty Sampling- I can avoid this by looking into the sources I use.
Generalizing- I have to watch the words i use when proving a point, i can't say anything that makes my statement look less like a fact.
False Dilemma- I can never create an ultimatum between two options, thier is usaully more than two opinions to every argument.
Post Hoc- Just because something happens to me a lot, I can't make an assumption about it. If I win the lottery almost everytime I play, I can't say I win the lottery everytime I play.

quick write 11/29

i didnt read the article. my topic will be why i would make a great large animal vet.

11/29

1. Attacking the Michigan study

2. Saying that "all" children are more creative if they play video games.

3. Argue that the sample did not have enough variety

4. Stay away from generalizing

5. Avoid making the reader choose between two possibilities.

6. Proper organization of ideas related to time.

Avoiding Fallacies

I haven't decided what my topic will be so I will talk about my previous one discussed on tuesday about scientific experiments and why they are needed despite the cruelty animals might go through.

Ad Hominem: I will avoid treating the opposing people like they are ignorant to the fact that these experiments are needed.

Stereotyping: I will try to avoid making everyone who opposes this idea sound like they are from peta.

Faulty Sampling: I will make sure to have correct information to back up any facts that I state I have or talk about.

Sweeping Generalizations: I won't say things like always or all the time or it always happens.

False Dilema: I will make sure to get many angles supporting this topic instead of only focusing on a couple generalizations.

Post Hoc: I won't make generalizations and back them up with faulty information that makes little to no sense.

Avoiding Fallacies

The idea for my paper is that having a pet is better for a family then not.

Ad Hominem- If someone states that having a pet does not affect a family. I will not say that they are wrong rather I will say points that prove otherwise.

Stereotyping- I will avoid the stereotypes of the putting the types of pets that certain people have, such as rich people have small dogs just for show.

Faulty Sampling- I would not interview everyone in my neighborhood about how not owning or owning a pet affects them because they all have pets.

Sweeping Generalizations-will not say EVERYONE loves having a pet

False Dilemma- I can't assume that people either have a pet or don't have a pet. A family may have had one and are not ready to get another one.

Pos Hoc/Ergo Propter Hoc-Cannot assume every time someone has a pet they are happy

Quickwrite 11/29

does the way you speak identify with who you are as a person

1. Ad Hominem - I will not spend too much time trying to persuade the reader/attacking them for their different beliefs on whether or not people are the way they speak.

2. Stereotyping - I will try not to stereotype certain groups that I talk about in my final paper by becoming more educated about the way they talk and why they speak that way.

3. Faculty Sampling - I will make sure that examples that I use in my paper are accurate, such as reasons for why people in different locations speak differently.

4. Sweeping Generalizations - I won't use "general" words such as some, all, etc.. because they out rule a lot of things.

5. False Dilemma - I will avoid giving only two options as to what a solution could be, such as personalities do or don't reflect on the way they speak, because not everything is black and white. There is a lot of gray.

6. Post Hoc/Ergo Propter Hoc - I won't allow myself to talk about the fact that something happened after something, therefore it is the reason the event occurred.

Quickwrite 11/29

Topic: Has consumerism caused us all to only find happiness in materialistic goods?

Ad hominem: focus on the topic at hand instead of blaming the media, the rich, and the corporations
Stereotyping: i will not use the words "everyone" for this paper topic, and i will not stereotype the media as an evil
Faulty Sampling: i will make sure the articles and samples i use are used accordingly to the idea at hand
Sweeping Generalizations: avoid the words "everyone" and "always", and use the words "sometimes", "usually" and "most"
False Dilemmas: i will not give a yes or no, right or wrong answer. i hope to discuss the topic at hand and show the importance of the increase in happiness based off of materialistic goods.
Post Hoc/ Ergo Propter Hoc: i will not give an answer to this topic that is only based off of recent events. i hope to explore the whole idea itself.

Quickwrite 11/29

Topic: Language defines our identity.

These are examples of things I will not include.

Ad Hominem: Someone who uses slang is a bad person.

Stereotyping: All Mexicans speak Spanish.

Faulty Sampling: After surveying 9 people, 90% thought that a persons identity reflects how they speak.

Sweeping Generalizations: Everybody speaks a language.

False Dilemma: All people who have bad grammar are stupid.

Post Hoc/Ergo Propter Hoc: If someone can talk fluently then they have a good personality.

QW 11-29-11

The Greek phalanx was effective in the defensive position where it could be unstoppable in the right atmosphere. The three main points are : It didn’t allow the enemy to get in close combat unless the formation broke, The armor was tough and nearly impenetrable and the shield was large and used to protect much of the body, and The formation didn’t leaves open gaps for penetration.

Ad hominem: I will give forth the opposing arguments and explain why they are not credible.

Stereotypes: I will prevent saying all or none type statements.

Faulty Sampling: I use many examples and not just one example to create a depth to my argument.

Sweeping Generalizations: I qualified my argument in the thesis and throughout the paper.

Either or Fallacy: In the thesis, I made sure to add that "in the right environment" to make sure that I am not saying that they are always unstoppable.

Post hoc: I will make sure not to assume that just because the Greeks used the Phalanx formation in a battle that they won, that that is the reason they won the battle.

Avoiding Fallacies Blog Post

Student teacher relations are equally as important as formal education.

Ad Hominem - I can avoid doing this by just sticking to my argument. Attacking people who don't believe student teacher relations will not strengthen my point at all.

Stereotyping -I will only deal with a specific group of people.

Faulty Sampling - When I use data, I will only use it if its credible. I won't cheat by skewing my data.

Sweeping Generalizations - I will use words like Most, and Some. They are effective and also don't make it seem like i'm talking about everyone.

False Dilema - I will bring different arguments besides just "For" and "Against".

Post Hoc - I will avoid making assumptions when It comes to student and teacher relationships.

Quickwrite 11/29

Relationships are just as important as a formal education.

-Ad Hominem: I will attack the issue, not the person that came up with it.
-Stereotyping: I won't support my argument with false stereotypes.
-Faulty Sampling: I'll make sure to use a large, accurate sample to argue.
-Sweeping Generalizations: I'll make sure to use the right qualifying words, such as "often," or "most people."
-False Dilemma: I recognize that there aren't just 2 sides to the argument, so I should explore alternatives too.
-Post Hoc/Ergo Proptor Hoc: I will correctly connect causes to their effects.

Avoiding Fallacies Beccabaz 11/29/11

Topic for final Paper, Government corruption.
six of the Fallacies:
1) Add hominen, I will avoid this by keeping a strong focus about my topic so people dont get confused.
2)Stereotyping, I will avoid this by re-reading my paper to make sure that I have no ideas of Stereotyping.
3)Faulty sampling, I will avoid this by not using statistics.
4)Generalizations, I will avoid this by making sure I don't use Allays and Never, because that is incorrect.
5) False delema, I will avoid this by making sure the audience knows that there is more than just two sides to an argument.
6) I will avoid this by not creating any sentences that involve the words this happened because of this... there for this..

Quickwrite 11/29

My topic for the final paper is going to be arguing that jornalism is not just going to be on the internet in the future
1.Ad Hominem- When arguing my point, I will not attack the people who have differing ideas but instead argue against their points
2.Stereotyping-I will not include stereotypes because that would weaken my argument
3.Faulty Sampling- I'll make sure that i don't use statistics that are geared towards my topic and therefore misrepresent information
4.Sweeping Generalizations- I will make sure not to generalize my statements, because not everyone has the same opinions
5.False Dilema- I will make sure that i don't just view this issue as two-sided and will make sure to discuss different outcomes
6.Post Hoc- I will make sure that i don't assume things are happening to the journalism field every time that there are technology advancements

Quickwrite 11/29

Does the way you speak identify with who you are?

1. Ad Hominem- I will not attack someone who thinks that the way you speak identifies your personality.

2. Stereotyping- I will avoid using the stereotypes that just because you have an accent, it means you have a different personality that isn't the norm.

3. Faulty Sampling- I will avoid using examples that have incorrect statistics such as that 4/5 people think that the way you speak does not affect your personality because I would have only asked 5 people out of the whole population.

4. Sweeping Generalizations- I will avoid using phrases like "everyone" and "always". If I say "everyone thinks that Jim is weird because he speaks differently" and one person doesn't agree with that statement, it is a false statement.

5. False Dilemma- I will avoid using just 2 different extremes when many more actually exist.

6. Post Hoc/Ergo Propter Hoc- I will not make the conclusion that because Anna is a nerd, it was caused by her speech impediment.

QuickWrite 11/29

Topic: Music is an anti-depressant that should be considered as strong and/or as powerful as medication.

1. Ad Hominem- I will stay on topic throughout the paper and focus directly on my argument and not so much on the opposition.

2. Stereotyping- I'll stay away from stereotypes and look at the individual and not their culture or appearance.

3. Faulty Sampling- All of the points that I will make will be backed up by legitimate factual representation that supports my argument.

4. Sweeping Generalizations- I will make my points by using words like "most" or "almost always", so I can't be corrected as if I used words such as "all" or "everyone".

5. False Dilemma- I'll explore all the viewpoints and research them to gain a better understanding of the opposing view(s) so I can create a stronger perspective.

6. Post Hoc- Researching the cause-and-effect analysis will help me with writing the points that I will be trying to make and avoiding the mistakes of cause and effect writing.

Quickwrite 11/29

I will be writing about airport security and how the new body scanners can be avoided.

Ad Hominem- There are a lot of people for the body scanners so it would be tough to point out each individual. It would waste my time.

Stereotyping- I wont point out individuals who may be offended by the body scanners. A lot of people are and a lot of people may not be.

Faulty Sampling- I will use good resources. Not just go off of what one person said.

Sweeping Generalization- I will use certain facts and percentages of people who are against.

False Dilemma- I will give certain alternatives that there are to airport security.

Post Hoc- Terrorism did not happen because of the lack of body scanners.

Blogpost Avoiding Fallacies

-Argument about how the university is preparing students for the globalized marketplace.

Ad Hominem: Could talk about people who think universities do not prepare students for globalized markets. I could give counter arguments to points they give.

Stereotyping: Avoid talking about things like, all college students receive jobs in international markets

Faulty Sampling: Give statistics of college graduates that have obtained jobs in the global market and how successful they were after university

Sweeping Generalizations: Don't use assumption words like most, some, etc

False Dilemma: Dont inaccurately say that college students must work in the global market when they are done with school

Post Hoc/Ergo Propter Hoc: dont assume events will happen after certain events. University students don't always get a job after college, don't assume that they do.

Tuesday November 29, 2011

The general idea for my last paper is why human stem cell research should be allowed

1. I will avoid ad hominem by making sure that I don't get to personal, expecially when talking about the controversial parts.

2. I will avoid stereotyping, by making sure I don't lump people together that disagree with stem cell research.

3. I will avoid faulty Sampling by ensuring that sample size is large enough, and equally represents every group involved in the sampling.

4. I will avoid using Sweeping generalizations by trying not to use the words that lead to these generalizations.

5. I will avoid the false dilemma fallacy, by ensuring that I cover all the alternatives.

6. I will avoid the Post Hoc/ Ergo Propter Hoc fallacy, by ensuring that I am clear and concise with my facts.

quick write 11/29

As of right now my topic for the paper is going to be: An argument about why student teachers are more helpful than professors.

1. Ad Hominem - I can avoid this by not attacking someone who thought that a professor was more help because I do not think they are a good person.

2. Stereotyping - I won't make accusations like how all professors are old or something that doesn't help my point of helpfulness.

3. Faulty sampling - If I want to use data I will make sure that it is a reliable sample. If they only interviewed ten people, the sample isn't very good.

4. Sweeping Generalizations - I have to be careful not to include an "everyone" statement, because some people may not prefer student teachers over professors.

5. False Dilemma - This one I will have to actually think about while writing my paper because I can't really see it being a problem so it will probably sneak in there.

6. Post hoc/Ergo Propter Hoc - There will be many examples of student teachers and professors, so I have to be careful not to create a cause and effect scenario for my reasons.

Quickwrite 11/22 #2

Data: “The University of Michigan study, which involved nearly 500 12-yearold kids, found that the more kids played video games, the more creative they were in tasks such as drawing pictures and writing stories.”

Claim: Playing video games as a child makes them more creative.

Qualifier: almost certainly

Warrant: Video games are the reason why they are more creative.

Backing: The research out of Michigan State University, published online in the journal Computers in Human Behavior, suggests that of the 491 12-year-olds studied, the ones who play video games tend to be more creative, regardless of whether those games are violent--and that the more they play, the more creative they are

Rebuttal: Children that are already creative may play more video games than normal children.

Quickwrite 11/22

The reading was really interessting. Especially the part when the author talked about the Toulmin system. By following tis system you can make sure that you dont forget any part of your argument. It provides a checklist for all the parts of an argument that are important.

Sebastian

Quickwrite 11/22

One thing that really stuck out was how even when you say hello you are arguing that it deserve a response. For my final paper every point I make must be backed up since I'm arguing my point of view. You must address morals, evidence and beliefs because not everyone is going to be on your side, you have to give them a reason to side with you. The author says, "In analyzing an argument you may be unable to find the backing for one claim because the author took for granted that the warrant was so obvious as not to need further evidence" (pg. 6). To me, this means in my paper I must give an argument for every point I make.

Quickwrite 11/22

One thing I took from the reading was the six main components that should be in a paper. Data, claim, qualifier, warrant, backing, and rebuttal. This is important to have in my paper because without those main things it won't look or be a argumentative paper.

Quickwrite 11/22

Something I think I should focus on is the rebuttal section of the paper. This is where I should consider other views and then explain why I believe or feel differently about them. This will help when writing my paper to fill up my paper with more information and give a more offensive and defensive approach toward my topic (4-7).

Blogpost "introduction to argument and persuasion"

Something that i took from the reading was the way an argument is set up. First, data, that sets up the argument, and then the qualifier that forces extent on the data, and then the conclusion. There are also something called a warrant that is a statement to back everything up, and then you can back up the warrant. There is a lot of information that goes into an argument and i think following the charts given in the reading is helpful. This could really help in paper 3

Quickwrite 11/21

"To human beings, forming an opinion is as natural and as necessary as breathing"...this is true because in order to percieve and understand anything we must first create and keep an opinion on it. this opinion can change as time goes on and we learn more about it, but we always have a certain feeling and emotion attached to that thing.
I would say that argument also belongs in that quote. Arguing and allowing other people to understand how you think is how we fit in and make friends, followers, and enemies. It is how we elect our leaders and choose what is the best. It is how we make a POINT.

November 22nd Blog Post

Did not read :'(

Quickwrite 11/22

One thing I took from the reading is that my points need to be logical. If I bring in emotion, my paper will come off as weak. I need to support my claims with facts, because that will convince people easier. When I write my paper, I need to remember that people will get turned off when I say they should believe in something "just becasue." I think that if I use phrases like "I feel" or "I believe," my paper won't seem as strong either. I need to be assertive and logical. There are many different parts that make up an argument, and I need to be sure to hit all of them.

Quickwrite 11/22

The variety of techniques to write an argument, will help me write this final paper. From Aristotle's three step process to the Toulman's more strict multiple step process. This is important in regard to my final paper because it will allow me to view my argument from different angles.

Quickwrite 11/22

I really liked the Toulmin System. I like how it breaks up the argument into a structure of data, claim, qualifier, warrant, backing, and rebuttal (pg. 4, 5). This structure helps you make a logical argument. After filling out that structure, you can also put it in a web form if you'd like. This is supposed to help you have all parts of the argument covered. For my final paper, this will help me cover every part of the argument and make a strong statement regarding it. I work better when things are in an organized matter and I think this process will help organize the argument really well.

QuickWrite 11/22

I think that I gained a better understanding of how people create their opinions and that many viewpoints are built upon personal experiences. "We are not born with opinions but form them through our own mental and emotional lives and our interactions with the lives of others" (Introduction to Argument and Persuasion 1) This is important to this paper because it will help me see the opposing view and understand why someone would formulate that certain opinion. This will help me see both sides and I'll be able to make my view points stronger.

QR: 11/22/11

One thing that I took from these readings was that everyone was born by having an oppinion, were unlike animals who cant think and take in information and try to see what or why we think it could be incorrect. This will help me with writing my final paper because we need to know how to rebuttal and create a vallad argument. We also learned methods how to argue and different terms like rebuttal and claim. From the reading "everything is an argument" I learned that almost anything could be an argument even paintings so this will allow us to pick a topic a little easier if you look at it in a different way.

QW 11-22-11

The reading focused about the logical aspect of argument and how important it is. It sounds very simple but it is very necessary and a lot of people don't seem to understand that. It reminds me that you should not just state something for the sake of stating something because it needs to be elaborated on to support and strengthen the argument. It will be necessary to elaborate because the chances of the audience actually taking the inductive "leap of faith" are slim if I don't create a strong logical argument. Obviously the credibility and the emotional appeal are extremely important as well but with my topic I am leaning toward relies mostly on a logical argument.

Homework

3) Why is converse's DNA music?-Sebastian

Converse's DNA is music because that is how they are advertised. Converse were designed by musicians and artists so they are the ones who mostly wear them. I have always stereotyped Converse as being an artsy shoe. I am an art major and I have at least six pairs of converse. They're simple yet stylish. Musicians were them because they're affordable and comfy.

Quick Write 11-22

I really found the section about inductive and deductive reasoning helpful for me. A specific argument is deductive and the argumentative essay as a whole is inductive. Inductive reasoning is good for when there is needed repetition to prove your point. Having example after example will increase the reasons behind your argument. Inductive reasoning was said to, "establish a high degree of probability for the general truths it infers." (8)

I think this is important to the paper because it really will help to organize your points and give you a couple different ways to put them. You can use deductive reasoning at points like for example in your conclusion, and for the majority of your paper you can use inductive reasoning.

homework

In what major ways to bands rely on products? -Nicholas

Bands rely on products for reasons such as advertisement and sponsorship. If something well known, like Nike, sponsors your band, people who are brand loyal to Nike may begin to pay more attention to your band as well. On the other hand though, people who may prefer Adidas, will pay little attention to your bands conjoint ad with Nike.

Homework

What was the importance behind Converse buying that warehouse in Brooklyn? -Beers
Converse was celebrating their grand opening in SoHo, to celebrate this they had a lot of free things for the guest and musical attraction Matt and Kim. According to the text bands and brands actually need each other, so by having a warehouse party it allows both the band and Converse to support its product. It was a way of embracing their look and how they want their company to appear to others.

homework

What are the advantages of a band being attached to a brand?-Shelby

The advantages of a band being attached to a brand are the brand is advertised at concerts and on TV using people that the public like, so the public will buy the brand because that band has it. Also, the band is also advertised on TV, so more people may start to listen to that band.

QW 11-17-11

1. In what major ways do bands rely on products?

2. What is one pop culture person or thing that endorses a product?

3. How has the band-brand relationship changed in recent years?

late quickwrite 11/17

1) Who is supposed to read this article?

2) Do you feel you have ever been influenced by a musician wearing specific brands?

3) Why is converse's DNA music?

Sebastian

QW 11-17-11

I didnt read the article. Will be up shortly

Quickwrite 17/11

Sorry, totally forgot to read it. I will do it later the day.

quickwrite 11/17

1. What is the main purpose of this text?

2. What is the difference between band sponsors from back then to now?

3. What is the importance of having a brand on a band?

quickwrite 11/17

i did not read the reading

Homework.

1) Does the author of this article show any bias toward either rock or disco? If so, how can you tell?

In my opinion, this article didn't show any clear bias towards either party. Though it did give more information and elaboate a little more on the rock genre.

2) Which type of music (rock/disco) is most like today's popular music?

I would say rock, but this is more of a personal preference. People who like to listen to disco would probably answer the opposite.

3) Would anything change if this article was written today instead of over twenty years ago?

It would still be set looking at events of the past, so not really, though it might end with that there is very little rock/disco conflict nowadays. That I see.

quickwrite "brand" questions 11/17

1). What is the idea behind a company's "DNA"?
2). What was the importance behind Converse buying that warehouse in Brooklyn?
3). Compare and contrast the relationship behind bands and brands/sponsors from the early 90's and bands today.

"I'm With The Brand" Q's

1. What are the advantages of a band being attached to a brand?
2. What do you consider to be "cool" bands?
3. What are Stone and Cohen's goals for Cornerstone?

quickpost 11/12

I didn't do the reading.

quickwrite 11/17

1. To what audience is this article written?

2. In what way has cornerstone productions influenced pop culture today?
3. What is the purpose of this company?

Quickwrite 11/17 Im with the band

1. It's all about the commodification of what?

2. Can you think of a time when bands create a new style of clothing for people to wear by wearing what they want and then having it turn into fashion for the general public?

3. What are some examples of either game companies, clothing lines, or drinks that have been associated with bands to become more popular?

blogpost "I'm with the Brand"

Didn't read it. my apologies

Quickwrite 11/17

How does a shoe company profit off of giving bands/rap artist free studio time?

How will songs downloaded from the converse websites make me want to buy shoes?

Since Nike is sports, how is it determined that converse means music?

Quickwrite 11/17

I didn't read it. Oops.

quick write

I didn't do the whole reading, so I will go back and do this.

November 17th Blog Post

1. After reading the article, do you feel that It shows Cornerstone's business as a negative?

2. How would you feel if your business was dying, and the only way to stay involved was to try a new style, even though it was against the norm.

3. Do you feel Matt and Kim "sold out" ?

Quickwrite 11/17

1. Do you think that applying music-industry techniques to brands is an affective way to gain an audience?
2. What other companies can you think of other than Levi's or Mountain Dew that use celebrities for promotion?
3. The text states, "the people who are waitng for a booking agent and a manager and a record label- its not going to really work out like that". Do you think that unique ways, like how Matt and Kim got in the industry, is how people that want to be famous should approach it?

Quickwrite 11/17

1What is Nike's DNA? What is Converse's DNA?

2What is the reason behind Converse buying an old warehouse in Williamsburg, Brooklyn?

3What is the difference between how brands and bands acted a generation ago and how that relationship is now?

Quickwrite 11/17

1. How and why do celebrities make brands famous?

2. What are some celebrities that you know of today that help make certain brands popular?

3. What are some examples of celebrities in the text and the brands that they sponsor?

QR

Sorry I didn't read it.

Quickwrite 11/17

1. What does Rob Stone's and Jon Cohen's program do for the music industry and Converse shoes?

2. How will their program benefit America's economy and music industry as a whole?

3. How do they relate Nike with Converse when it comes to brand advertising?

food

I will bring a bag of chips.

Remixworkshop

Ryan: Needs to gather picuturs from his family, waiting for recording of last concert.
Nick: Good transitions, Very good introduction (makes the audience intrigued) purpose: was to show that Shostrkovich had hidden meanings in his writings.
Brandon:Good concepts and good ideas just need to put them all together. Audience our class.
Becca: S: tennis, W: showing introduction on imovie, needs improvement on transitions of audio. Purpose: showing how Tennis was part of her life.

Stolen Remix Workshop

Sara's project:

S - the video clearly shows that the subject is cooking with the pictures and videos that are displayed.

W - the writer is me and it shows my personality with the music and pictures shown

A - the audience for this movie is the class. It meets all the requirements

P - the purpose is to show my literacy in cooking by showing cooking steps and recipes

Marisa and Russ did not finish their videos

stolen remix workshop

Carlos's Video

1. Subject was clear, esay to tell what the video was about.
2. More text needed to help protray the knowledge of the writer/composer.
3. exciting for viewers. addresses the audience well.
4. needs more work to complete purpose

Jeff"s video

1. Subject/interest was clear.
2. shows many aspects of ranch work unknown to some.
3. Displays ranch work in a way which is interesting/fun for the audience. Keeps the attention of his audience all while displaying his literacy.
4. need more work to complete purpose.

Connor's

1. Easily known topic
2. need text to help convey what is happening in video.
3. video is audience friendly. Focuses on what unfamiliar viewer may prefer to see.
4. needs more work to complete purpose

Business Remix Nukka

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Sebastian: Stolen is great, somewhat repetitive, the song is great though, provides really good visual with the song, 4.0

Riley: Well put together, great introduction, like the categories 4.0

Frank: Great demonstration videos, great song 4.0

Alec: Awesome looking claymation, needs better storyline, but still awesomely creative 4.0

Jandernoa: work on creativity, spice it up, great video, do it up 4.0

Group SWAP

Shelby, Becca P, Sabrina

Becca:
S- theater
W- improve connction between technology and what she wants to portray
A- our class...
P- convey her literacy in theater

Work on unfreezing computer.

Shelby:
S- ice hockey
W- have ideas in my head, need to search for videos and mash them together
A- our class
P- to convey her literacy in hockey, and show how fun it is! :D

Things to improve... get it done.

Sabrina:
S- tennis
W- need to learn how to learn tech programs and starting project.
A- our class
P-to convey her literacy in tennis

Arts and communications group

Sarah

- Dance. Everything looks like its getting put together nicely, it shows different types of dance. The audience is correct and makes sense towards her purpose. There should be some improvements towards transition.

Becca

- Journalism production. Everything seems to be correct as far as the audience and purpose. The transition was done really well.

John

- Literature. Everything was well put together. It completely draws the audience and the purpose is very clear.

Jessica

- Art. The purpose is clear, it caught the audiences attention. It was well transitioned with multiple songs correctly addressed to the different parts in the video.

Sam

- Guitar. Audience is to that of basically anyone who has heard and loved the beatles. The purpose is to show that people around the world have loved the song and re-created it to share with others.

EJ

- Undecided. It is a work in progress. Great purpose and audience so far.

Chris

- Soccer. Work on transitions, great purpose and audience.

food

I can bring brownies, or cookie brownies or sumthin

quickwrite 11/15

reeses

Quickwrite 11/15

PIZZA! 2 Boxes of it.

Food blogpost.

I can bring pop. Or cookies. Something like that.

food

I'm going to bring candy of some sort

11-15 Quickwrite

Il bring brownies or something like that

Im bringing soda

Im bringing soda so yeah. Thats that.

december 15

ill try to bring pizzelis

Food stuff

Christmas Cookies/something like them

Nov 15 Blog Post

I will bring chips.

Food

I'll bring pretzels

December 15th

German candy

blogpost 11/15

i can bring a 2 liter of pepsi and sprite.

Shelby will bring...

candy?

QR11/15

Im bringing diet Coke for the party.

Quickwrite 11/15

I can bring Doritos. If that isnt enough let me know.

What I am Bringing

I am bringing 2 bags of chips.

QuickWrite 11/15

I'll bring a bag of chips and pretzels

candy

Food

I am bringing SALSA!!!!!

quickwrite 11/15

Two Pops/juices

dec. 15 last day

CUPS

plates

chips

Disco answers

In what way is disco music making a comeback today?-Jeff

Disco music is making a comeback today through techno, dubstep, hip-hop, and club (house) music. These genres of music are like disco because they have fast beats, are excellent to dance to, and are always played at parties and clubs.

How would the average young adult in our culture react to a completely new music style that was completely against the norm?-Riley

The average young adult would probably not listen to a new music style that was completely against the norm. Some, however, may be open to changes and start to listen to it and like it.

Answers for Disco

1. What was critics take on disco music in the 1970's?-Carlos

Critics thought that disco was to "repetitive, commercial, mechanical, and trivial" it was to similar to rock and roll. Saying that these were bad things even though Rock and roll was succesful so why couldnt diso be?

2. The text is titled, " Who Really Won the War," but as you read it doesn't give a definite answer, so who do you think won?-Matt

Rock and Roll obviously won the long term war because it has survived through more generations. But I think Disco won the war during the seventies because it appealed to more people. When something has a bigger market it is going to do better. Even though disco was only a phase. Although it did leave it's impact of clubs and its spontaneous beats. Rock and Roll will just always be Rock and Roll.

homework

2. In what way is disco music making a comeback today?-Jeff

-Disco music is making a comeback today through techno/dance music. It has the same traits as disco music. For example, the same fast beats over and over again. Disco music is what makes people wants to dance and attracts people on the dance floor. Since dance clubs still exist, there is still some disco music out there.

3. What was the general sentiment of rock fans toward disco music, and what was the disco fans opinion of rock music?-Jeff

-Rock fans "acted as if disco, the anthem of homosexuals and urban blacks, was both contemptible and evil". Disco fans didn't care much about rock fans. They thought it provoked indifference. Rock fans thought disco was just repetitive and commercial music, but turns out, rock music is almost that exact same thing. They mainly hated it for racial and social reasons.